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Post by Shenguin on Jan 8, 2021 11:31:06 GMT
Doesn't that make most armies terrorists?
Maybe ... I don't know ...
I always thought terrorism was a sort of guerrilla warfare, carried out by a group that can't compete with a conventional army - and aimed at the civilian population in order to foment fear.
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Post by MrTiddles on Jan 8, 2021 11:32:24 GMT
Morning.
My Father's car insurance company have sent a letter to me 'Personal Reps of Tids senior' - re:cancellation of policy.
It thus details that my Father has to have either sold the vehicle, re-insured with another company or SORN'd said vehicle. It also helpfully informs him that he has 20 years NCD.
Arseholes.
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Post by Sheep2 on Jan 8, 2021 11:34:47 GMT
I don't think there is a clearly defined definition of terrorism.
The UN doesn't have one.
It's surprisingly difficult to pin down
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Post by lazybones on Jan 8, 2021 11:39:41 GMT
I don't think there is a clearly defined definition of terrorism. The UN doesn't have one. It's surprisingly difficult to pin down
It's more than just causing a ruckus.
Admittedly - the carrying of pipe-bombs could also be seen as excessive for a ruckus.
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Post by lazybones on Jan 8, 2021 11:42:33 GMT
Morning. My Father's car insurance company have sent a letter to me 'Personal Reps of Tids senior' - re:cancellation of policy. It thus details that my Father has to have either sold the vehicle, re-insured with another company or SORN'd said vehicle. It also helpfully informs him that he has 20 years NCD. Arseholes.
I am wary of insurance companies. It's the business of fear.
I mean I'm not wary enough to not have insurance...
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Post by MrTiddles on Jan 8, 2021 11:48:16 GMT
Morning. My Father's car insurance company have sent a letter to me 'Personal Reps of Tids senior' - re:cancellation of policy. It thus details that my Father has to have either sold the vehicle, re-insured with another company or SORN'd said vehicle. It also helpfully informs him that he has 20 years NCD. Arseholes.
I am wary of insurance companies. It's the business of fear.
I mean I'm not wary enough to not have insurance...
I don't think he's overly concerned about the insurance issue. On the plus side, they did send me a rebate cheque for £200 yesterday. |
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Post by MrTiddles on Jan 8, 2021 11:50:33 GMT
Speaking of terrorists. Nathan Barley had an episode where he went to a club with Dave Bikinus (sp?) and some dudes were performing a track - 'Terrorists are g*y', I think.
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Post by Ozymandias Kane on Jan 8, 2021 12:11:50 GMT
I wish Joe Biden wouldn't call the protesters / rioters 'terrorists'. Terrorism is a very specific thing. Well ... this is my understanding ... The carrying out of unpredictable acts of violence to terrorise a population.
Terrorists aren't just violent people you don't like. The meanings of words should not change. They should be inscribed in stone for all eternity. sorry old bean, I just googly woogled that ('cause I'm that bored) and this is what the definition says: Terrorism - noun google search the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims. Oxford Dictionary The Oxford Dictionary calls terrorism the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims. Merriam-Webster calls it the systematic and coercive use of terror, defined as violent or destructive acts (such as bombing) committed by groups in order to intimidate. |
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Post by Sheep2 on Jan 8, 2021 12:23:50 GMT
Pretty much covers the invasion of Iraq, the destruction of Libya, and Syria, and Yemen, and Somalia.
Also Guantanomo bay - the U.S. actions there, not those of the detainees.
It would also cover Russia in Ukraine.
Israeli murders of Iranian scientists? Looks pretty solidly covered.
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Post by lazybones on Jan 8, 2021 12:31:37 GMT
Well armies don't often overtly target civilians, with the aim of terrorising them. The invasion of Iraq and bombing of Libya had fairly standard military aims - and were directed, ostensibly, at military targets.
I suppose you could say the bombing of Dresden, Tokyo and Hiroshima, and the Blitz of London, were sort of terrorist acts if you use the broad definition ...
But I don't think the ransacking of the Capitol Building counts. I don't think it was aimed at terrorising people ...
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Post by crankcaller on Jan 8, 2021 12:35:07 GMT
Not what you want as your ringtone when the man with the gun behind security at Ma drid Airport is telling you off for taking photos...
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Post by amipal on Jan 8, 2021 12:39:20 GMT
Hello all.
Gamesblog: no.
TVblog: also no.
Camerablog: club competition via Zoom last night, where I finished the evening with an 18 and a 20 (out of 20). Happy with that - probably the best I’ve scored this season.
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Post by lazybones on Jan 8, 2021 12:40:11 GMT
It was more or an opportunistic hullabaloo, I think. On the part of most people involved. Of course there were probably a few dangerous insurrectionaries.
But on balance Joe Biden should have said:
'They weren't protesters. Don't dare call them protesters. They were a riotous mob, opportunistic hullabalooniks.'
I don't know ...
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Post by Melvazord on Jan 8, 2021 12:40:47 GMT
Well armies don't often overtly target civilians, with the aim of terrorising them. The invasion of Iraq and bombing of Libya had fairly standard military aims - and were directed, ostensibly, at military targets. I suppose you could say the bombing of Dresden, Tokyo and Hiroshima, and the Blitz of London, were sort of terrorist acts if you use the broad definition ... But I don't think the ransacking of the Capitol Building counts. I don't think it was aimed at terrorising people ... I think the pipe bombs and the guys loaded to take hostages tips it over the edge |
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Post by Sheep2 on Jan 8, 2021 12:45:11 GMT
Well armies don't often overtly target civilians, with the aim of terrorising them. The invasion of Iraq and bombing of Libya had fairly standard military aims - and were directed, ostensibly, at military targets. I suppose you could say the bombing of Dresden, Tokyo and Hiroshima, and the Blitz of London, were sort of terrorist acts if you use the broad definition ... But I don't think the ransacking of the Capitol Building counts. I don't think it was aimed at terrorising people ... It was more the unlawful use of violence for political aims bit. The invasion of Iraq was undoubtedly illegal under international law and for political aims. Once the Iraqi army was beaten all the subsequent violence was against civilians. |
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Post by lazybones on Jan 8, 2021 13:00:10 GMT
I think the pipe bombs and the guys loaded to take hostages tips it over the edge Maybe ... It just seems that if you use 'terrorism' to mean anything that attempts political change with violence then you leave it open to be used against any protest that ends in violence, for whatever reason. And lots of protests do turn ugly, at some point. End up brawling with police because you've been 'kettled', then you could be labelled a terrorist. |
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Post by lazybones on Jan 8, 2021 13:07:16 GMT
It was more the unlawful use of violence for political aims bit. The invasion of Iraq was undoubtedly illegal under international law and for political aims. Once the Iraqi army was beaten all the subsequent violence was against civilians.
Most violence is unlawful though ...
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Post by Melvazord on Jan 8, 2021 13:15:53 GMT
I think the pipe bombs and the guys loaded to take hostages tips it over the edge Maybe ... It just seems that if you use 'terrorism' to mean anything that attempts political change with violence then you leave it open to be used against any protest that ends in violence, for whatever reason. And lots of protests do turn ugly, at some point. End up brawling with police because you've been 'kettled', then you could be labelled a terrorist. There's a big difference between "brawling" and literally smashing your way into a building with a bunch of industrial cable ties intending to kidnap politicians and take them to the gallows you have set up outside. The majority of them, yeah they're not terrorists, they're useful morons. Pipe bomb guy and the intended kidnappers are domestic terrorists. |
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Post by Ozymandias Kane on Jan 8, 2021 13:40:27 GMT
The majority of them, yeah they're not terrorists, they're useful morons. Pipe bomb guy and the intended kidnappers are domestic terrorists. Also known as canon fodder or pawns/first wave |
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Post by Melvazord on Jan 8, 2021 13:41:22 GMT
The majority of them, yeah they're not terrorists, they're useful morons. Pipe bomb guy and the intended kidnappers are domestic terrorists. Also known as canon fodder or pawns/first wave Ironic that Americans would go full Soviet meat-shield. |
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Post by amipal on Jan 8, 2021 14:06:15 GMT
Once the Iraqi army was beaten all the subsequent violence was against civilians. Yes, but mainly as collateral damage whilst either attacking or defending themselves from insurgents. |
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Post by amipal on Jan 8, 2021 14:07:30 GMT
I am Tony B.Liar and I claim my £5.
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Post by MrTiddles on Jan 8, 2021 14:20:37 GMT
It was more the unlawful use of violence for political aims bit. The invasion of Iraq was undoubtedly illegal under international law and for political aims. Once the Iraqi army was beaten all the subsequent violence was against civilians.
Most violence is unlawful though ...
I didn't know that, I must re-think my life choices. |
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Post by amipal on Jan 8, 2021 14:23:36 GMT
Hello all. Gamesblog: no. TVblog: also no. Camerablog: club competition via Zoom last night, where I finished the evening with an 18 and a 20 (out of 20). Happy with that - probably the best I’ve scored this season. Anyway, the actual images: Pass Through - 18/20 - flic.kr/p/2k3knSuMirrored Lives - 20/20 - flic.kr/p/2kqfoCu |
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Post by Ozymandias Kane on Jan 8, 2021 14:23:48 GMT
Most violence is unlawful though ...
I didn't know that, I must re-think my life choices. Plausible deniability, it works for the government so it should work for you. that or don't go out during the daylight hours. edit technically if you yell at someone it can be considered as an offense (verbal assault) which is a bit of a sod if you're Brian Blessed. |
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