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Post by Sheep2 on Mar 25, 2021 13:38:43 GMT
The government did not go through with anything. It wasn't government imposed. Yes it was mentioned. Lots of things are mentioned. There were no serious proposals put forward. It's the equivalent of taking one of Boris's meandering speeches as a serious policy framework. The government would have pulled us out though if UEFA hadn't. Anyway it acts as a historical precedent for governments intervening and pulling teams out of tournaments. Johnson should pull us out of Qatar 2022 and run a rouge 2022 rival tournament in the UK. Hopefully just the home nations and few commonwealths would show up and England would lose a semi-final on penalties. It would be brilliant. I disagree with your analysis. 1985 was the lowest point in English football. There were massive problems with hooliganism. Luton v Millwall stand out as a mixed group of Millwalll and Chelsea fans fought Beds police. The domestic season ended with the Bradford fire and major disorder at Birmingham v Leeds. Then Heysel happened. The uk government response was the Popplewell Inquiry in to Bradford and Birmingham v Leeds. The result of this was a small update to the Safety At Sports Grounds Act. Attempts to bring in ID cards for football fans were abandoned. In other words the government response to domestic hooliganism was minimal. It was a problem that was too complex and difficult. I genuinely don't think that clubs would have been withdrawn from European competition. There is a possibility ticket sales would have been restricted. Even that was often difficult. Rangers and Celtic (and other Scottish clubs) carried on in Europe despite having significant trouble particularly at Old Firm games but also in European games. There was no effort to withdraw them made by the UK government. |
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Post by BabyfarkmcGeezak on Mar 25, 2021 13:46:51 GMT
The government would have pulled us out though if UEFA hadn't. Anyway it acts as a historical precedent for governments intervening and pulling teams out of tournaments. Johnson should pull us out of Qatar 2022 and run a rouge 2022 rival tournament in the UK. Hopefully just the home nations and few commonwealths would show up and England would lose a semi-final on penalties. It would be brilliant. There was no effort to withdraw them made by the UK government. On 31 May 1985, British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher asked The Football Association (the FA) to withdraw English clubs from European competition before they were banned, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heysel_Stadium_disaster#:~:text=On%2031%20May%201985%2C%20British,the%20International%20Federation%20of%20Association |
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Post by scamander on Mar 25, 2021 14:03:15 GMT
Racist crowd at a qualifying game = Fined a pack of mints.
Player doesn't abide by the sponsors = 80k fine (see Nicolas Bentdner).
Deaths of workers in Qatar (hushed silence). Wonder what the fallout would be for players taking a knee on that one.
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Post by Sheep2 on Mar 25, 2021 14:12:32 GMT
Baby
I think you are taking what was an ad hoc response to a minor crisis and was never acted on and seeing it as a major act of government policy.
Fundamentally the Conservative government in the 1980s didn't care much about football except when fans were being a nuisance.
Writing a letter was as far as Mrs Thatcher got.
If you read a bit further down you'll see that English clubs were allowed to play friendlies anywhere in Europe except Belgium by December 1985. I don't remember many friendlies taking place, but the government did not oppose this.
Your initial claim of full 80's Thatcher and pull us out just doesn't fit with what happened.
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Post by lazybones on Mar 25, 2021 14:13:18 GMT
In other words the government response to domestic hooliganism was minimal. It was a problem that was too complex and difficult.
Margaret Thatcher knew exactly what the problem of hooliganism was.
Hooligans!
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Post by Sheep2 on Mar 25, 2021 14:18:10 GMT
Also pulling out of the World Cup is not straightforward.
It effectively means withdrawing from FIFA and UEFA. Quite possibly it would mean clubs couldn't participate in the CL
It might also leave the FA open to having to repay money on TV contracts.
I am pretty confident it would frighten the money. And that is not something that anyone senior in English football would be comfortable with.
A few hundred dead construction workers is nothing in comparison. It is not like they were important people or we knew any of them anyway.
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Post by crankcaller on Mar 25, 2021 14:21:52 GMT
RollingEscargotTechnically I'm not a weegie so no offence taken. It's worse! I'm a branch of the Green Oak Tree.
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Post by dakylosaurus419 on Mar 25, 2021 14:21:58 GMT
Morning all!
I'm back on the trains tomorrow, motivational seminar then an online webinar from my office in the afternoon. This gives me a chance to grab some essential supplies (rod hull and adjacent products). Back on the hull wagon! Also have to go for a COVID test, which will likely simply come back saying I'm more rod hull than man.
I realised the other day it has been over a year since I was last sat on a train with a tin of hull, a chocolate pain au chocolate and a video James video. And for the foreseeable until masks aren't required on public transport, I won't be able to again. The day I'm on a train, quaffing hull, munching on questionable pastries and watching someone play N64 Donkey Kong, things will finally be back to normal.
I'm almost looking forward to leaving a half mile radius of my lodgings. It'll be like Valheim, venturing out into the wilds.
BR,
Terry Dakyl
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Post by tenthenemy on Mar 25, 2021 14:24:22 GMT
Now read on: Sheep's analysis is absolutely correct. I remember all of this only too well. I watched the carnage at Heysel live on TV and I remember the next morning in school when teachers and pupils were in shock about what they had witnessed when we just wanted to see a football game. Of course there were noises from the British government, they could hardly ignore the problem. Doesn't mean they had a handle on it. I agree that there should be a boycott in Qatar, but that should have been done years ago. My PM worked for the Saudi government in the 80s and was involved in a museum project. He remembered only too well the deaths of Filipino workers during the building of that museum - mainly through electrocution and unsafe machinery. There was absolutely no health and safety. Nothing has changed. All modern buildings in those Arab states are built with blood. |
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Post by crankcaller on Mar 25, 2021 14:35:49 GMT
Daky!
Last time I went to work, loads of folk were drinking coffee and munching stuff on trains under the guise it was allowed as takeaway. The absolute clowns. No ticket folk meant it went unchecked.
My coffee was always lukewarm if lucky by the time I got to work. I've also been told by the docs to avoid pastries.
*Shakes hand at sky*
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Post by crankcaller on Mar 25, 2021 14:49:02 GMT
Some keycaps I ordered from China have arrived. The switches I fear are stuck on a boat that can't get through the Suez.
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Post by dakylosaurus419 on Mar 25, 2021 14:51:30 GMT
Last time I went to work, loads of folk were drinking coffee and munching stuff on trains under the guise it was allowed as takeaway. The absolute clowns. No ticket folk meant it went unchecked. I have a healthy respect for railway property and staff (its why I never transgress the yellow line*), so I wouldn't ever go bare on a train. *Except for that dream I had where I was disciplined for.. anyway that's not important |
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Post by dakylosaurus419 on Mar 25, 2021 14:52:19 GMT
Crankers - whats the keyboard/caps you bought? 60%? Does it have tremendous GAMER led lighting on it?
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Post by sandybahookie on Mar 25, 2021 14:54:51 GMT
Just Downloaded Elder Scrolls: Arena onto my work PC.
It looks pretty sweet
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Post by lazybones on Mar 25, 2021 14:54:54 GMT
Some keycaps I ordered from China have arrived. The switches I fear are stuck on a boat that can't get through the Suez. A thumb over the windpipe of British commerce.
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Post by amipal on Mar 25, 2021 15:20:52 GMT
Morning all! I'm back on the trains tomorrow, motivational seminar then an online webinar from my office in the afternoon. This gives me a chance to grab some essential supplies (rod hull and adjacent products). Back on the hull wagon! Also have to go for a COVID test, which will likely simply come back saying I'm more rod hull than man. If you’re going for a COVID test, you shouldn’t be getting on public transport beforehand or going into work. That’s basic. |
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Post by amipal on Mar 25, 2021 15:21:18 GMT
Some keycaps I ordered from China have arrived. The switches I fear are stuck on a boat that can't get through the Suez. A further thumb over the windpipe of British commerce.
FTFY |
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Post by crankcaller on Mar 25, 2021 15:21:57 GMT
Crankers - whats the keyboard/caps you bought? 60%? Does it have tremendous GAMER led lighting on it? I've already got a Ducky one2 mini that does ridiculous rgb though I have it on plain white. It has cherry MX silent red switches. The one I've ordered is another 60% one with hotswap switches. It's not despatched yet though: banggood.app.link/u9Oz6wtTUebThe switches are Gateron yellows I've ordered for the build. I kinda miss the arrow keys on the Ducky but with a few macros it's all good. It's a nice keyboard. |
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Post by sandybahookie on Mar 25, 2021 15:22:09 GMT
I'm Bard Sandy Bahookie from Skyrim, land of the Nords
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Post by amipal on Mar 25, 2021 15:23:10 GMT
@coldwarpolitics
I miss it. You know where you stood with Thatcher, Reagan, Gorbachev, Kohl, Mitterrand.
Not like the current clowns worldwide. Lacking any sort of elan.
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Post by amipal on Mar 25, 2021 15:25:39 GMT
Some keycaps I ordered from China have arrived. The switches I fear are stuck on a boat that can't get through the Suez. Wouldn’t have this if we hadn’t been betrayed by the Yanks in ‘56. [shakes head] |
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Post by Sheep2 on Mar 25, 2021 15:26:29 GMT
Crankers - whats the keyboard/caps you bought? 60%? Does it have tremendous GAMER led lighting on it? I've already got a Ducky one2 mini that does ridiculous rgb though I have it on plain white. It has cherry MX silent red switches. The one I've ordered is another 60% one with hotswap switches. It's not despatched yet though: banggood.app.link/u9Oz6wtTUebThe switches are Gateron yellows I've ordered for the build. I kinda miss the arrow keys on the Ducky but with a few macros it's all good. It's a nice keyboard. You must really feel the burn when typing in ISBNs. |
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Post by crankcaller on Mar 25, 2021 15:29:28 GMT
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Post by BabyfarkmcGeezak on Mar 25, 2021 15:31:34 GMT
Are you going to get some fancy metal caps for the WASD keys? |
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Post by tenthenemy on Mar 25, 2021 15:38:43 GMT
Who got a Guardian Pick and a staff response on the Monster Hunter Rise review? Tent Hen did! Take that, Sheep2 ! Everyone in the comments on Keef's & Keza's article on the dearth of upcoming titles in 2021 is saying that they've got plenty other stuff to play. I feel exactly the same. Yesterday I finally got more time for Xenoblade Chronicles and really enjoyed it. Years ago when I tried playing this for the first time I got frustrated because my party was getting wiped out again and again at one point. Now I realise that this was because everyone involved was underlevelled and underequipped. This time I made sure I did as many side quests as possible and got plenty of sweet equipment in reward. Maybe it is even possible to git gud. I also uncovered the whole of the map so far, including some areas that are apparently great for endgame grinding. I made a mental note. Speaking of maps and the need to git gud, yesterday I came across this highly accurate annotated version of the BotW map:  Heads up for neeps traders: I'm expecting a large spike tomorrow morning, let me know if this is of any use. |
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