Chatterbox Tuesday

Philip 'Scubar' Green

I meant the JB licence. I forgot Microsoft had rare, even though it was billed as a massive coup at the time.

I think at most we'll leave in name only,so I doubt there will be much change. Certainly not enough to impact my life in a noticeable way.

£900 in lost economic growth so far is the average cost per household, according to the Bank of England.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/may/22/brexit-vote-cost-uk-mark-carney-bank-of-england

Plus the Pound has settled about 12% lower against the Euro since the vote, which will have easily cost me a three figure sum in currency exchanges since the vote. (I'm not actually so pissed off about that part as it's affected me because I am lucky enough to be able to afford foreign holidays; it's not a moan seeking sympathy. I am much more exercised about other parts of Brexit.)

fullfact.org/economy/pound-fallen-since-brexit/

Additionally my ex felt moved to apply for permanent right to remain, which cost several hundred pounds, and a lot of stress for both of us at the time. Her job is also considerably less secure because it relies in part on EU funding and freedom of movement for EU students. I intend to apply for citizenship of Ireland to preserve my current rights to freedom of movement in Europe if leaving the EEA becomes a reality, which again will cost several hundred pounds. I don't want to be Irish, I want to be British, but I also don't want to give up the freedoms and rights to which I am accustomed.

I also spent at least one night in a pub getting drunk talking to a friend who was down because his son had lost his job as a direct result of the firm losing European contracts in the month following the vote.

The NHS and other public services are already struggling to recruit European staff for key jobs because of the Brexit vote; there is more uncertainty over the future economy, and there are real concerns about whether leaving will be the trigger for slashing legislation that protects workers' rights, health and safety, etc. I think that wounds all of us and changes the type of society we live in, regardless of whether we directly suffer or directly gain.

The vote also means I live in a country where 52% of people are 1) thoughtless ignorant wankers and happy to vote with xenophobes while dreaming about a non-existent Golden Age of England, 2) xenophobes, 3) rapacious capitalist bastards who can make a killing out of leaving the EU, or 4) so far removed from my understanding of the world that I can barely relate to them or understand their thought processes, which is kind of fucking depressing.

I know you said you weren't interested in for/against arguments, but when discussing the potential impacts, it inevitably tends to depend on ones view of the whole issue.

In other news, I got two kills in my first 50v50 Fortnite game tonight. I'm getting some last games in before the Switch crowd swarm in like dirty migrants and ruin it for all of us.

Well, it all depends what deal (if any) will be struck for EU citizens in the UK. I've said it before, luckily I possess an Android phone to use the app that will decide whether or not I'm allowed to live in this country, and won't have to borrow one: www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2018/apr/24/beyond-belief-brexit-app-for-eu-nationals-wont-work-on-iphones

If it doesn't work out or the hostile, sorry, compliant environment becomes a bit too hostile we would move to either Germany or Ireland. Luckily my other half had a valuable Irish grandfather and, like Shenguin, is entitled to an Irish passport, but it would mean leaving the rest of the family behind.

On the day of the referendum Mr Enemy pointed out to the people at the polling station that I, having lived in this country for 20 years, did not have a say in this decision, while his South African nephews and nieces who work in London for a year or two were given a vote.

So the answer is yes.

I've edited your well reasoned, (maybe not on the people who voted for),  and powerful comment to save space.

I disagree with the last point, one can just look at their life and say, "how will it change?" regardless on how one thinks of the issue

So WhatsApp is the problem here

But to answer the question, will it affect my life? Probably not materially as I am retired with a reasonable private pension. But it will affect my children and their opportunities to an as yet unknown degree.

The country has become a smaller, more insular, less pleasant, place.

And if the likes of Rees Mogg, Gove, Farage and Boris are all for it, it is clearly a fucking disaster in waiting.

People at the low end of the wage scale had their wages depressed by freedom of movement while not being able to enjoy the benefits of the EU that most do. You must be able to see their side of it? (they definitely don't make up the majority, it should be noted)

Is that a record?

One million times this

France looking more attractive by the day?