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Post by crankcaller on Jan 15, 2021 16:34:10 GMT
Paging Melvazord in Doric
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Post by lazybones on Jan 15, 2021 16:35:31 GMT
How do?
The black country dialect is a monstrous throwback. Welcome to the abyss.
Flemish / Dutch are pretty similar to English. It is a shame the written conventions make them seem so different...
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Post by RollingEscargot on Jan 15, 2021 16:38:03 GMT
Paging Melvazord in Doric Furry boots is the loon? |
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Post by crankcaller on Jan 15, 2021 16:40:22 GMT
"Scots is sometimes regarded as a variety of English, though it has its own distinct dialects; other scholars treat Scots as a distinct Germanic language, in the way that Norwegian is closely linked to but distinct from Danish"
From everyone's (20yrs old - Happy Birthday!) Favourite Wikipedia.
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Post by Sheep2 on Jan 15, 2021 16:43:46 GMT
Just saying the word fuck aggressively a lot doesn't make it a separate language
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Post by lazybones on Jan 15, 2021 16:52:20 GMT
I read somewhere that English is actually more of a Scandinavian language than anything else. The grammar is similar (to the Scandinavian languages), but with different words ...
I suppose what I mean is that I saw it on the internet and maybe read the first paragraph.
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Post by amipal on Jan 15, 2021 16:57:42 GMT
You need to get out of the Big Smoke, lazy. Nestle into a comfortable suburb somewhere, far from the lights and malarkey of the big city. Or perhaps a country retreat? Open the curtains in the morning, and stare upon fields for miles. Or the sea? Finally buy that lighthouse.
I'm dreaming of a yacht, moored up somewhere on the Flemish coast.
Iceland would also be good.
Beware the waves of the North Atlantic, crashing upon your home. Bit rough. |
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Post by crankcaller on Jan 15, 2021 17:02:14 GMT
This is going to go full circle to the conversation about the possibly offensive Brummie or Black Country word for woman isn't it? Let's stop.
Played a bit of the ps+ Need for Speed last night. Not really grabbing me tbh. Might try the Forza thing Tids was talking about.
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Post by lazybones on Jan 15, 2021 17:18:25 GMT
It turns out that the thing I most like about games is browsing for them, adding them to my watchlist, then buying them when there's 50-70 percent off.
I've been racking up a few on Steam (never played them) but the Switch store won't accept my card.
I tried Greedfall the other day (as it was free) but it's not for me.
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Post by tenthenemy on Jan 15, 2021 17:34:08 GMT
A language is a dialect with an army. And a navy. Unless they are landlocked. German has retained a lot more variants than English which one could easily regard as languages in their own right. I have a passive knowledge of Low German, which means that I can understand written and spoken Low German 100%, but I absolutely can't speak it myself. That is only true for my local dialect of Low German - other dialects of Low German to me are very much like Dutch, i.e. I can read between 70% and 90%, but I can only understand the occasional word or phrase when spoken. Austrian and particularly Swiss German usually gets subtitled on German television for good reason. Like all German speakers I also have a relatively high success rate in understanding written* and spoken Yiddish, which brings us back to Max Weinreich's aphorism that you quoted. Although I get more of the Hebrew elements of Yiddish after I learnt Babylonian/Assyrian (which you can count either as two dialects or two languages). As Crank said, probably better to back away from the language/dialect discussion. Edit: *when transliterated into the Latin alphabet. I can read Hebrew script but not very well. |
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Post by Felice Landry on Jan 15, 2021 17:49:23 GMT
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Post by tenthenemy on Jan 15, 2021 18:08:55 GMT
In German? No accent, which is typical of the northern region. In English? British English with a German lilt. Can't get rid of it, although sometimes people can't place it and think it might be Dutch. |
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Post by Ozymandias Kane on Jan 15, 2021 18:09:17 GMT
information has it's value -(all hail the Rosetta stone)
from wiki:
English is a West Germanic language that originated from Anglo-Frisian dialects brought to Britain in the mid 5th to 7th centuries AD by Anglo-Saxon migrants from what is now northwest Germany, southern Denmark and the Netherlands. ... The Anglian dialects had a greater influence on Middle English.
Unlike Icelandic and Faroese, which were isolated, the development of English was influenced by a long series of invasions of the British Isles by other peoples and languages, particularly Old Norse and Norman French. These left a profound mark of their own on the language, so that English shows some similarities in vocabulary and grammar with many languages outside its linguistic clades—but it is not mutually intelligible with any of those languages either.
Too much?
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Post by crankcaller on Jan 15, 2021 18:10:54 GMT
Does German lilt have pineapple in it?
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Post by Felice Landry on Jan 15, 2021 18:14:38 GMT
In German? No accent, which is typical of the northern region. In English? British English with a German lilt. Can't get rid of it, although sometimes people can't place it and think it might be Dutch. So doesn't that mean people in the southern region think you have an accent? |
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Post by tenthenemy on Jan 15, 2021 18:28:21 GMT
In German? No accent, which is typical of the northern region. In English? British English with a German lilt. Can't get rid of it, although sometimes people can't place it and think it might be Dutch. So doesn't that mean people in the southern region think you have an accent? No idea. They are too busy calling us derogatory names and we are too busy laughing at their accent. |
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Post by Ozymandias Kane on Jan 15, 2021 18:28:44 GMT
information has it's value - To further this discussion what Tenthen said about having a passive knowledge of Low German reminded me of the link between Pictish and Gaelic and how after Dal Riata (around the 4th to 6th centuries) the Pictish language was blended with Gaelic. some point during the 1st/2nd to 5th centuries the languages were said to be so similar that it when St. Columba went to the newly formed Scotland (6th Cent.) it was easy for him to teach Christianity to the Picts. The P-Celtic/Gaelic ancestry showing through with their Nordic prehistory perhaps. |
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Post by Felice Landry on Jan 15, 2021 19:23:20 GMT
The calorie controlled diet* is difficult when you stop counting after the third glass of wine.
*which was very successful before all the unpleasantness.
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Post by Sheep2 on Jan 15, 2021 19:39:18 GMT
Which particular unpleasantness?
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Post by Ozymandias Kane on Jan 15, 2021 19:41:20 GMT
Which particular unpleasantness? running out of wine perhaps |
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Post by Felice Landry on Jan 15, 2021 19:44:25 GMT
Which particular unpleasantness? running out of wine perhaps Good grief, I actually smiled at this. |
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Post by BabyfarkmcGeezak on Jan 15, 2021 21:22:23 GMT
What the hell was that ending in the Expanse all about? Worse than Princess Leia's comedy space float.
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Post by Faceless on Jan 15, 2021 21:27:35 GMT
What the hell was that ending in the Expanse all about? Worse than Princess Leia's comedy space float. Spoilers yo. But yes, I agree. |
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Post by Sheep2 on Jan 15, 2021 22:56:14 GMT
I've just finished The Collapsing Empire by John Scalzi.
Excellent.
Recommended
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Post by Chumbles on Jan 16, 2021 0:40:46 GMT
Paging Melvazord in Doric Or scamander in Latin? |
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