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Post by Admin on May 6, 2021 21:06:59 GMT
It's Friday.
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Post by Destry on May 6, 2021 21:09:52 GMT
Horrowing.
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Post by Tuffers on May 6, 2021 21:11:08 GMT
LOL.
Top work.
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Post by MrTiddles on May 6, 2021 22:33:02 GMT
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Post by RollingEscargot on May 7, 2021 6:42:21 GMT
Like and scubscribe before he gets you!
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Post by amipal on May 7, 2021 7:02:45 GMT
You have been warned. You’ve all been warned.
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Post by crankcaller on May 7, 2021 7:21:36 GMT
I like you Admin, I've always liked you. You were always the best of them, best goddam admin from Timbuktu to Portland Maine, Portland Oregon for that matter!
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Post by BabyfarkmcGeezak on May 7, 2021 7:44:23 GMT
Morning.
I don't understand why Hartlepool voted Tory.
Also, gaming went OK, two Fortnite trio victories.
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Post by RollingEscargot on May 7, 2021 7:54:14 GMT
I don't understand why Hartlepool voted Tory. From what I've read in the G so far this morning, it's either because Labour is still too left wing, or because it's no longer left wing enough.
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Post by crankcaller on May 7, 2021 8:21:26 GMT
With a side portion of Brexit
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Post by Faceless on May 7, 2021 8:25:32 GMT
I don't understand why Hartlepool voted Tory. Because Corbyn.
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Post by Tuffers on May 7, 2021 8:26:40 GMT
Morning
It's Friday.
That is all.
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Post by Tuffers on May 7, 2021 8:46:42 GMT
Oh, I completed Deadlight : Directors Cut. Good ending.
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Post by Tuffers on May 7, 2021 8:47:22 GMT
Completed it mate.
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Post by BabyfarkmcGeezak on May 7, 2021 8:48:38 GMT
I don't understand why Hartlepool voted Tory. From what I've read in the G so far this morning, it's either because Labour is still too left wing, or because it's no longer left wing enough. Even if that's so, I don't understand why people in a northern shithole like Hartlepool would therefore vote Tory. Why not Lib Dems, or Greens, or even that weird Flying Brick guy?
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Post by Tuffers on May 7, 2021 9:01:17 GMT
From what I've read in the G so far this morning, it's either because Labour is still too left wing, or because it's no longer left wing enough. Even if that's so, I don't understand why people in a northern shithole like Hartlepool would therefore vote Tory. Why not Lib Dems, or Greens, or even that weird Flying Brick guy? Because you touch yourself at night.
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Post by RollingEscargot on May 7, 2021 9:06:01 GMT
Even if that's so, I don't understand why people in a northern shithole like Hartlepool would therefore vote Tory. Why not Lib Dems, or Greens, or even that weird Flying Brick guy? Because you touch yourself at night.
I just *knew* Tuffers was really Sir John Curtice.
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Post by Tuffers on May 7, 2021 9:08:08 GMT
Measure THIS on my swingometer
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Post by lazybones on May 7, 2021 9:16:15 GMT
John Prescott would have known what to do.
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Post by Shenguin on May 7, 2021 9:38:54 GMT
Punch the bastud.
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Post by crankcaller on May 7, 2021 9:42:23 GMT
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Post by lazybones on May 7, 2021 9:47:16 GMT
I went to a pub yesterday. I had a good night. I felt the alcohol made me strong, in body and mind. I'm not just saying that. It did make me feel alive.
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Post by BabyfarkmcGeezak on May 7, 2021 9:54:43 GMT
I went to a pub yesterday. I had a good night. I felt the alcohol made me strong, in body and mind. I'm not just saying that. It did make me feel alive. Can we go inside pubs yet or is it still beer gardens only?
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Post by Sheep2 on May 7, 2021 9:56:39 GMT
Hartlepool
Because Labour didn't care about them.
Labour foisted a remainer who had campaigned to close the local A&E as the only candidate on the long list. They didn't even allow Hartlepool Constituency Labour Party to choose.
The MP does two things. He represents Labour to the constituency, but he also represents the constituency to Labour. Since the Blair years this is one area where Labour have absolutely lost it. There is a relatively small group of mostly London living people at the top of the Labour Party (and the various unions). They have sought to insert their friends and little helpers as MPs, but without gaining genuine links to the constituency in too many cases.
They have used Scotland and the North East and other areas as if they were permanent Labour resources to be mined for safe seats and otherwise ignored. The resut is that constituency parties over the last 20 years have become hollowed out in a lot of areas. There are fewer activists and they are less enthusiastic. And the union mechanisms won't turn out in the same way either.
You ended up with rotten constituencies, first in Scotland and now elsewhere where there was a big Labour vote - because people had always voted Labour, but little enthusiasm. They were ripe to fall. The people who were in their 30s and 40s in the 1990s mostly didn't pass on tribal adherence to Labour to their university educated children
I don't think Labour has ever recovered from the 2008 Financial crisis and the MPs expenses scandal. These revealed two things. Labour supported big business and banks over people and too many MPs had their snouts in the trough.
The choice of Corbyn as leader was a reflection of that. He didn't break Labour, it was already broken. That's the only way he could get elected as leader despite all the MPs not liking him. In choosing him twice Labour supporters were sending a massive message to the party to change. Of course no one know what change is actually needed and Corbyn was a terrible leader, completely unsuited to the job, but it was a cry for help.
The trouble is Keir Starmer seems unable to do anything about this. He would, perhaps, have been a good leader after Blair. After Brown Miliband and Corbyn and with Scotland lost he is clueless. There remains a possibility that he will win, if the Johnson led Tory party falls apart, or if its monstrosity becomes too apparent, but t the moment he appears like the Scottish Labour leaders post Dewar - a series of forgettable names mostly unable to stop Labour sliding in to irrelevance.
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Post by Sheep2 on May 7, 2021 9:57:58 GMT
TL:DR?
Labour's fucked for the foreseeable.
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