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Post by Lurk McLurkface on Dec 12, 2019 23:03:36 GMT
Agree that Corbyn part of the problem, but it can't be that simple. 2017 he had much of the same baggage but got one of Labour's biggest ever vote shares. What's changed? Either BJ is genuinely popular compared to May (only true up to a point); or the Tories were successful in pinning Brexit delays on Corbyn. If the latter, then don't see how a more pro Remain stance would have helped (though some people are already claiming that was the problem). But he has clearly fucked it and should fuck off. No one knows what he stands/stood for. He was 'all things to all men/women'. The Labour manifesto was a childish wishlist - not a serious political document. It was idiotic sixth-form politics. He thinks he is the heir to Tony Benn but he will be remembered as a third-rate Michael Foot. |
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Post by MrTiddles on Dec 12, 2019 23:05:26 GMT
Agree that Corbyn part of the problem, but it can't be that simple. 2017 he had much of the same baggage but got one of Labour's biggest ever vote shares. What's changed? Either BJ is genuinely popular compared to May (only true up to a point); or the Tories were successful in pinning Brexit delays on Corbyn. If the latter, then don't see how a more pro Remain stance would have helped (though some people are already claiming that was the problem). But he has clearly fucked it and should fuck off. This is the most sensible comment I've read, |
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Post by Sheep2 on Dec 12, 2019 23:05:33 GMT
To be fair, and I haven't read either, by all accounts the Tory manifesto was no better.
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Post by tenthenemy on Dec 12, 2019 23:09:21 GMT
Fuck.
Got the Preferred Mammal to the polling station in the afternoon. He told the people there he was voting for his grandchildren. Rookie mistake, they weren't even on the ballot sheet!
Returning home after running some errands, I helped him getting out of the car when I heard a soft, persistent "pffffffft..." sound. Yes, we got a flat tyre on a freshly serviced car. Presumably Tory cunts leaving nails in the road.
I should have recognised this as an ill omen right away.
We love Scotland very much and Mr Tent Rooster even plays the bagpipes. Will you accept us as refugees?
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Post by RollingEscargot on Dec 12, 2019 23:11:42 GMT
The 2017 manifesto was along the same lines; and the all things to all people line was there in 2017 too.
BRINO was the obvious answer to honouring the referendum without dynamiting the country. In 2016-17 it could have been got through with support from Labour, SNP and many Tories. But May weaponised the referendum result for party politics. Mission accomplished.
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Post by Felice Landry on Dec 12, 2019 23:17:31 GMT
Agree that Corbyn part of the problem, but it can't be that simple. 2017 he had much of the same baggage but got one of Labour's biggest ever vote shares. What's changed? Either BJ is genuinely popular compared to May (only true up to a point); or the Tories were successful in pinning Brexit delays on Corbyn. If the latter, then don't see how a more pro Remain stance would have helped (though some people are already claiming that was the problem). But he has clearly fucked it and should fuck off. One of the problems was that he was a leave person at heart and didn't really campaign to stay during the referendum or argue for a second one afterwards, if he had at least taken a position and tried to convince the Labour voters that it would be worse for them who knows? Also, though the antisemitism problem was exaggerated, he did nothing to defuse it, especially when he was backing allies accused of it. He also stamped down hard on anyone disagreeing with him which is amusing considering his behaviour in previous Labour governments. I voted for Michael Foot in 1983 and he managed 209 seats against Margaret Bloody Thatcher and that was considered a disaster. |
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Post by Lurk McLurkface on Dec 12, 2019 23:18:52 GMT
To be fair, and I haven't read either, by all accounts the Tory manifesto was no better. True dat <edit> the challenger has to make the more persuasive argument. |
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Post by Sheep2 on Dec 12, 2019 23:20:53 GMT
No early results?
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Post by RollingEscargot on Dec 12, 2019 23:21:56 GMT
Tory manifesto is a blank cheque. Especially the bit where they threaten to reform the judiciary.
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Post by Sheep2 on Dec 12, 2019 23:22:04 GMT
Kate Hoey looks like she has only just climbed out of the grave.
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Post by Felice Landry on Dec 12, 2019 23:23:27 GMT
Kate Hooey looks like she has only just climbed out of the grave. You can see her and Tebbit having a thing. |
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Post by RollingEscargot on Dec 12, 2019 23:26:46 GMT
Agree that Corbyn part of the problem, but it can't be that simple. 2017 he had much of the same baggage but got one of Labour's biggest ever vote shares. What's changed? Either BJ is genuinely popular compared to May (only true up to a point); or the Tories were successful in pinning Brexit delays on Corbyn. If the latter, then don't see how a more pro Remain stance would have helped (though some people are already claiming that was the problem). But he has clearly fucked it and should fuck off. One of the problems was that he was a leave person at heart and didn't really campaign to stay during the referendum or argue for a second one afterwards, if he had at least taken a position and tried to convince his the Labour voters that it would be worse for them who knows? Also, though the antisemitism problem was exaggerated, he did nothing to defuse it, especially when he was backing allies accused of it. He also stamped down hard on anyone disagreeing with him which is amusing considering his behaviour in previous Labour governments. I voted for Michael Foot in 1983 and he managed 209 seats against Margaret Bloody Thatcher and that was considered a disaster. Though 41 of Foot's MPs were in Scotland. Can't blame Corbyn for losing Scotland, as that happened in 2015. Could I suppose blame him for not finding a way to work with the SNP without scaring the horses in the shires. |
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Post by Pyjakson on Dec 12, 2019 23:29:52 GMT
I helped him getting out of the car when I heard a soft, persistent "pffffffft..." sound. You know it's a solemn day when the box fails to acknowledge a good fart joke. |
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Post by tenthenemy on Dec 12, 2019 23:31:49 GMT
I helped him getting out of the car when I heard a soft, persistent "pffffffft..." sound. You know it's a solemn day when the box fails to acknowledge a good fart joke. I know. I was waiting for it and it never came. |
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Post by Pyjakson on Dec 12, 2019 23:32:11 GMT
Never thought I'd say this, but... independence now. Yip. Fuck it. Can't be any worse. The celebrations would sicken me to the core but the other option is we're stuck with the tories while England votes the way The Sun and The Daily Mail tell them to. |
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Post by Lurk McLurkface on Dec 12, 2019 23:34:14 GMT
Agree that Corbyn part of the problem, but it can't be that simple. 2017 he had much of the same baggage but got one of Labour's biggest ever vote shares. What's changed? Either BJ is genuinely popular compared to May (only true up to a point); or the Tories were successful in pinning Brexit delays on Corbyn. If the latter, then don't see how a more pro Remain stance would have helped (though some people are already claiming that was the problem). But he has clearly fucked it and should fuck off. One of the problems was that he was a leave person at heart and didn't really campaign to stay during the referendum or argue for a second one afterwards, if he had at least taken a position and tried to convince the Labour voters that it would be worse for them who knows? Also, though the antisemitism problem was exaggerated, he did nothing to defuse it, especially when he was backing allies accused of it. He also stamped down hard on anyone disagreeing with him which is amusing considering his behaviour in previous Labour governments. I voted for Michael Foot in 1983 and he managed 209 seats against Margaret Bloody Thatcher and that was considered a disaster. If I may, there is also the matter of Momentum, who assumed an almost Gestapo like presence within the Labour Party and behind whom Corbyn could present his benign. 'old man Steptoe' image as if butter wouldn't melt. They are a bunch of cunts too. Where was the eminence gris in Corbyn's setup? |
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Post by Lurk McLurkface on Dec 12, 2019 23:35:29 GMT
I helped him getting out of the car when I heard a soft, persistent "pffffffft..." sound. You know it's a solemn day when the box fails to acknowledge a good fart joke. I got 6 likes today. The rest is gravy |
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Post by gongfarmer on Dec 12, 2019 23:35:49 GMT
Fucking fireworks going off somewhere round here....either that or gunfire.
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Post by Pyjakson on Dec 12, 2019 23:36:04 GMT
100% for Labour so far...
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Post by Felice Landry on Dec 12, 2019 23:36:20 GMT
One of the problems was that he was a leave person at heart and didn't really campaign to stay during the referendum or argue for a second one afterwards, if he had at least taken a position and tried to convince his the Labour voters that it would be worse for them who knows? Also, though the antisemitism problem was exaggerated, he did nothing to defuse it, especially when he was backing allies accused of it. He also stamped down hard on anyone disagreeing with him which is amusing considering his behaviour in previous Labour governments. I voted for Michael Foot in 1983 and he managed 209 seats against Margaret Bloody Thatcher and that was considered a disaster. Though 41 of Foot's MPs were in Scotland. Can't blame Corbyn for losing Scotland, as that happened in 2015. Could I suppose blame him for not finding a way to work with the SNP without scaring the horses in the shires. And 21 tories, things have changed. |
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Post by tenthenemy on Dec 12, 2019 23:37:28 GMT
If I may, there is also the matter of Momentum, who assumed an almost Gestapo like presence within the Labour Party and behind whom Corbyn could present his benign. 'old man Steptoe' image as if butter wouldn't melt. They are a bunch of cunts too. Where was the eminence gris in Corbyn's setup? To quote someone from the liveblog comments at The Other Place: "Crap, does this mean that Milne is returning to the Guardian?" |
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Post by Felice Landry on Dec 12, 2019 23:38:57 GMT
One of the problems was that he was a leave person at heart and didn't really campaign to stay during the referendum or argue for a second one afterwards, if he had at least taken a position and tried to convince the Labour voters that it would be worse for them who knows? Also, though the antisemitism problem was exaggerated, he did nothing to defuse it, especially when he was backing allies accused of it. He also stamped down hard on anyone disagreeing with him which is amusing considering his behaviour in previous Labour governments. I voted for Michael Foot in 1983 and he managed 209 seats against Margaret Bloody Thatcher and that was considered a disaster. If I may, there is also the matter of Momentum, who assumed an almost Gestapo like presence within the Labour Party and behind whom Corbyn could present his benign. 'old man Steptoe' image as if butter wouldn't melt. They are a bunch of cunts too. Where was the eminence gris in Corbyn's setup? Not a fan of them either, seems like a young thing smells a bit like Militant reborn. |
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Post by Sheep2 on Dec 12, 2019 23:39:14 GMT
So Blyth went Spartan
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Post by Destry on Dec 12, 2019 23:45:18 GMT
So Labour have lost Blyth Valley to the Tories, which they had held since 1950.
Grim indeed.
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Post by Tuffers on Dec 12, 2019 23:45:40 GMT
Kate Hoey looks like she has only just climbed out of the grave. PHHWWOAAR! |
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