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Post by lazybones on Jul 9, 2021 9:51:29 GMT
Pierce Brosnan and Timothy Dalton had the patina of con-artists. The kind of con-artist who might convince someone they were an airline pilot, when actually they were working in Tie Rack.
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Post by crankcaller on Jul 9, 2021 10:01:10 GMT
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Post by Ozymandias Kane on Jul 9, 2021 10:09:49 GMT
Ozymandias KaneAnd Judo, mind you've mentioned grappling and that pretty much sums up modern (Sport) Judo unfortunately. I was thinking of Judo as a grappling sport. And I stand by it. The original Jigoro Kano concept was grapple-forward. Kodokan Fact After 20+ years of Kodokan Judo, Kodokan Goshin Jitsu and tai Chi Chuan, I would argue that you are wrong in that 'fact' young LazyB. where as it did become a sport it certainly wasn't Kano Kancho's idea that it should become one. They had to pretty much twist his arm out of its socket to get him to accept it as one. The reason for Judo was so that safer training practices could take place with less broken limbs for the students, as typically they would find that some of the techniques in JuiJuitsu or Jujitsu as it is now known had painful results when applied fully. Also Judo allowed Kano Kancho the outlet to teach women in a safe environment. |
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Post by MrTiddles on Jul 9, 2021 10:18:12 GMT
What Kane said. I mean, I don't understand a word of it, but he knows...
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Post by Felice Landry on Jul 9, 2021 10:26:31 GMT
What Kane said. I mean, I don't understand a word of it, but he knows...We should all know one thing. |
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Post by Destry on Jul 9, 2021 10:28:49 GMT
What Kane said. I mean, I don't understand a word of it, but he knows... |
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Post by silcox on Jul 9, 2021 10:33:25 GMT
1. Sean Connery 2. Roger Moore 3. Daniel Craig 4. n/a 5. n/a 6. n/a The only James Bond film I've seen that didn't have Sean Connery, Roger Moore, or Daniel Craig was that Pierce Brosnan one where he had the invisible car. I liked it. I thought Christmas only came once a year |
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Post by Ozymandias Kane on Jul 9, 2021 10:33:27 GMT
What Kane said. I mean, I don't understand a word of it, but he knows...We should all know one thing. My Kane Fu is strong.  |
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Post by amipal on Jul 9, 2021 10:35:18 GMT
1. Sean Connery 2. Roger Moore 3. Daniel Craig 4. n/a 5. n/a 6. n/a The only James Bond film I've seen that didn't have Sean Connery, Roger Moore, or Daniel Craig was that Pierce Brosnan one where he had the invisible car. I liked it. I thought Christmas only came once a year Christ, that film… The Bronhom ones get progressively more worser. |
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Post by MrTiddles on Jul 9, 2021 10:36:25 GMT
We should all know one thing. My Kane Fu is strong. That's as maybe, but could you beat a giant Sloar in a fist/claw fight? |
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Post by lazybones on Jul 9, 2021 10:44:25 GMT
After 20+ years of Kodokan Judo, Kodokan Goshin Jitsu and tai Chi Chuan, I would argue that you are wrong in that 'fact' young LazyB. where as it did become a sport it certainly wasn't Kano Kancho's idea that it should become one. They had to pretty much twist his arm out of its socket to get him to accept it as one. The reason for Judo was so that safer training practices could take place with less broken limbs for the students, as typically they would find that some of the techniques in JuiJuitsu or Jujitsu as it is now known had painful results when applied fully. Also Judo allowed Kano Kancho the outlet to teach women in a safe environment. Jigoro Kano was a member of the International Olympic Committee. I also thought he was pretty keen on judo being included in the Olympics. I could be wrong. The point I was trying to make was just that judo has always been about grappling, going with the standard definition of grappling as being to do with seizing, holding ... I know there are forms of kata to do with striking, but not many, and my understanding is that these were put into kata to make the sport / martial art, safer to practice (because it was more grapple-centric). Also ... Katame, as in Katame-Waza ... translates, I think, as 'grappling'?
I don't know.
In any case, sport or no sport, judo's one for the grapple-fans. |
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Post by RollingEscargot on Jul 9, 2021 10:47:38 GMT
The Brosnan ones were hailed at the time for their realism and directness, but in hindsight they look at least as dated as the Conneries and even more of their time than the Moores. I sometimes wonder if the 90s were really just a decade of complete delusion.
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Post by Ozymandias Kane on Jul 9, 2021 10:52:16 GMT
My Kane Fu is strong. That's as maybe, but could you beat a giant Sloar in a fist/claw fight? um - no - not so much, running away is the preferred method of dealing the situation. unless you have a chainsaw shotgun or rocket launcher to hand. |
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Post by Ozymandias Kane on Jul 9, 2021 11:13:45 GMT
Jigoro Kano was a member of the International Olympic Committee. I also thought he was pretty keen on judo being included in the Olympics. I could be wrong. The point I was trying to make was just that judo has always been about grappling, going with the standard definition of grappling as being to do with seizing, holding ... I know there are forms of kata to do with striking, but not many, and my understanding is that these were put into kata to make the sport / martial art, safer to practice (because it was more grapple-centric). Also ... Katame, as in Katame-Waza ... translates, I think, as 'grappling'?
I don't know.
In any case, sport or no sport, judo's one for the grapple-fans. Ju - from Judo translates as gentle, so Judo is the gentle way Juitsu - 'Ju' - Jitsu translates as harmony, so Jujitsu translates as gentle harmony way. Katame - Waza - is Groundwork techniques. Tachi - Waza is standing techniques. Kata - is 'the forms of' a specific style or Art and is typically used for understanding the techniques you are learning without having to be thrown around or kicked/punched. The original art forms that Judo was designed from was the variant styles of Jujitsu around in the mid to late 1800s and they included striking, grappling, throwing, control and locking, knockout/kill, pressure points (Kyusho) and Shiatsu, which is the art of healing and Kappo-Katsu, the art of resuscitation. Wrestling is more inline with modern Judo as far as the grappling side. |
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Post by dakylosaurus419 on Jul 9, 2021 11:19:01 GMT
Waza them in the nuts and run away
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Post by scubar on Jul 9, 2021 11:19:49 GMT
Jigoro Kano was a member of the International Olympic Committee. I also thought he was pretty keen on judo being included in the Olympics. I could be wrong. The point I was trying to make was just that judo has always been about grappling, going with the standard definition of grappling as being to do with seizing, holding ... I know there are forms of kata to do with striking, but not many, and my understanding is that these were put into kata to make the sport / martial art, safer to practice (because it was more grapple-centric). Also ... Katame, as in Katame-Waza ... translates, I think, as 'grappling'?
I don't know.
In any case, sport or no sport, judo's one for the grapple-fans. Ju - from Judo translates as gentle, so Judo is the gentle way Juitsu - 'Ju' - Jitsu translates as harmony, so Jujitsu translates as gentle harmony way. Katame - Waza - is Groundwork techniques. Tachi - Waza is standing techniques. Kata - is 'the forms of' a specific style or Art and is typically used for understanding the techniques you are learning without having to be thrown around or kicked/punched. The original art forms that Judo was designed from was the variant styles of Jujitsu around in the mid to late 1800s and they included striking, grappling, throwing, control and locking, knockout/kill, pressure points (Kyusho) and Shiatsu, which is the art of healing and Kappo-Katsu, the art of resuscitation. Wrestling is more inline with modern Judo as far as the grappling side. I don’t know what the fuck you just said, little kid. But you special, man. You reached out, and you touched a brothers heart. |
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Post by Felice Landry on Jul 9, 2021 11:21:27 GMT
We have a Kane vs Lazy title bout the winner is crowned...
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Post by RollingEscargot on Jul 9, 2021 11:21:39 GMT
This is excellent content.
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Post by sandybahookie on Jul 9, 2021 11:28:28 GMT
So Judo is JuJitsu for girls?
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Post by sandybahookie on Jul 9, 2021 11:30:39 GMT
I can't talk, I do sweaty hot yoga invented by a well known sex molester.
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Post by Tuffers on Jul 9, 2021 11:31:46 GMT
My money is on Morpheus.
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Post by lazybones on Jul 9, 2021 11:32:55 GMT
Jigoro Kano was a member of the International Olympic Committee. I also thought he was pretty keen on judo being included in the Olympics. I could be wrong. The point I was trying to make was just that judo has always been about grappling, going with the standard definition of grappling as being to do with seizing, holding ... I know there are forms of kata to do with striking, but not many, and my understanding is that these were put into kata to make the sport / martial art, safer to practice (because it was more grapple-centric). Also ... Katame, as in Katame-Waza ... translates, I think, as 'grappling'?
I don't know.
In any case, sport or no sport, judo's one for the grapple-fans. Ju - from Judo translates as gentle, so Judo is the gentle way Juitsu - 'Ju' - Jitsu translates as harmony, so Jujitsu translates as gentle harmony way. Katame - Waza - is Groundwork techniques. Tachi - Waza is standing techniques. Kata - is 'the forms of' a specific style or Art and is typically used for understanding the techniques you are learning without having to be thrown around or kicked/punched. The original art forms that Judo was designed from was the variant styles of Jujitsu around in the mid to late 1800s and they included striking, grappling, throwing, control and locking, knockout/kill, pressure points (Kyusho) and Shiatsu, which is the art of healing and Kappo-Katsu, the art of resuscitation. Wrestling is more inline with modern Judo as far as the grappling side. Most of this is true, though I don’t think you’re right about Katame Waza translating as ground techniques. The term for this is Ne Waza, if I remember rightly, though it’s often used interchangeably with Katame Waza - grappling techniques. I’m wondering if we’re even arguing about the same thing. I know judo comes from jujitsu, or the various 19th century schools of it. But these were synthesised into a form that could be practiced safely (as you said) and it was made safer by sidelining the Ateme Waza - the striking - into the kata so you would never be practicing it in randori / free practice with someone else. All I’m saying is that judo is pretty much all grappling. And always has been. You can only throw someone if you’ve grappled them first - if you’ve got a hold - a grip - on them. |
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Post by lazybones on Jul 9, 2021 11:42:55 GMT
I think we’re just using different definitions of ‘grapple’, of ‘grappling’.
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Post by Ozymandias Kane on Jul 9, 2021 11:50:19 GMT
So Judo is JuJitsu for girls?  You could say that, however there are other techniques in Kodokan Judo such as strangulation, so the next time you upset your wife keep an eye open when you sleep Also one of my late masters was known by her grandson as Ninja Nanny and trust me when I say she was formidable. |
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Post by Felice Landry on Jul 9, 2021 11:50:38 GMT
I now have the disturbing picture in my head of Kane and Lazy grappling in front of a fire like a 'box version of "Women in Love".
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